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How are we rationalizing this?

First of all, no it doesn’t. Lol. People release files all the time. In court they call it “evidence.” And who’s a defendant currently?
In court. Releasing it in public completely compromises the prosecution's ability to try any cases against any defendants on the epstein files list. Again, this is basic law stuff.

Anyone who was involved in illegal activity on the epstein list could be a defendant.
 
lol..This reminds me of the time Musk was suggesting that guy helping with those stranded kids was a sex offender because of the country he was in. I would have to look it up but I think Musk ended up having to pay that guy off for doing that. Trump needs to tell the idiot that he can go scr*w himself. He is acting like a spanked child now.
 
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How about the fact that Acosta was the AG in Florida who negotiated Epstein’s original sweetheart home arrest deal and ended up being Trump’s labor Secretary? Google it. Is that a coincidence? Epstein had a lot of them!

It’s public record that Epstein’s gig was getting the rich and powerful on tape with underage girls. But we’ve never seen any of the tapes. Why not do you think. If Epstein was hanging with you, he was trying to get you on tape. He had a painting of Bill Clinton in a dress in his NY townhouse. Gates’ ex wife basically said she divorced him because of his hanging out with Epstein. Les Wexner, Jes Staley, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz. Some heavy hitters. We can all make our own judgments as to whether these targets had the moral fortitude to stay out of it.
lol... I don't think there is any tape of illegal sex act things with minors with big names though I could be wrong. Probably just records of who visited the island and maybe some video showing people we already know were there from other court cases. Like that guy from the royals in England etc.
 
I wasn’t referring to the fact he left the white house I was referring to the fact that he was the point man in supposedly reducing government waste and is now saying it was all bs because they’re passing a budget that adds $3 trillion to the deficit.
Oh please. I bet you had to google who Acosta is. The “law has to be followed.” Lol!
Wait. Are you talking about Jim Acosta? CNNs lackey boy who tried to build his career on TDS in Whitehouse briefings? That Acosta? If so, CNN has already shipped him to the minor league farm clubs and fired him. 😂
 
lol... I don't think there is any tape of illegal sex act things with minors with big names though I could be wrong. Probably just records of who visited the island and maybe some video showing people we already know were there from other court cases. Like that guy from the royals in England etc.
I guarantee there’s video. His entire ny house was wired with hidden cameras everywhere. Feds “lost” the recordings when they stormed the place. This is all public record.
 

“FBI Special Agent Kelly Maguire testified in 2019 that during the raid of Epstein's residence, FBI agents found a safe with CDs, computer hard drives, money, jewelry and passports. During her testimony, Maguire said that FBI agents did not have a valid warrant to remove the evidence, so instead, they photographed them.

A few days later, when they returned to obtain the evidence, it was gone, The Telegraph reported.”
 
Why do you think the head of JP Morgan paid him $150 million? He wasn’t a party guy. He was a blackmailer. You don’t blackmail without evidence.
 
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Why do you think the head of JP Morgan paid him $150 million? He wasn’t a party guy. He was a blackmailer. You don’t blackmail without evidence.
I believe Epstein was an asset of intelligence and sold information to the highest bidders. That's just one reason he got "suicided".
 
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I guarantee there’s video. His entire ny house was wired with hidden cameras everywhere. Feds “lost” the recordings when they stormed the place. This is all public record.
Bradley in all seriousness if you want to learn about epstein, just check the archives on this very board. We have been discussing this here since 2018. News as it was happening.

We begged libs to join in but they had zero interest. Now that Elon has tied Trump to it, you suddenly care. And are running with what 'one social media user said'. If you actually want to educate yourself on the topic, the info is here. If you want to try to spin it to hurt Trump, carry on.
 
Bradley in all seriousness if you want to learn about epstein, just check the archives on this very board. We have been discussing this here since 2018. News as it was happening.

We begged libs to join in but they had zero interest. Now that Elon has tied Trump to it, you suddenly care. And are running with what 'one social media user said'. If you actually want to educate yourself on the topic, the info is here. If you want to try to spin it to hurt Trump, carry on.
No shit. None of this is hardly "breaking news". 😂 The only "breaking" was Epstein's neck while the security cameras were off and the guards sleeping.:rolleyes:
 
How about the fact that Acosta was the AG in Florida who negotiated Epstein’s original sweetheart home arrest deal and ended up being Trump’s labor Secretary? Google it. Is that a coincidence? Epstein had a lot of them!

It’s public record that Epstein’s gig was getting the rich and powerful on tape with underage girls. But we’ve never seen any of the tapes. Why not do you think. If Epstein was hanging with you, he was trying to get you on tape. He had a painting of Bill Clinton in a dress in his NY townhouse. Gates’ ex wife basically said she divorced him because of his hanging out with Epstein. Les Wexner, Jes Staley, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz. Some heavy hitters. We can all make our own judgments as to whether these targets had the moral fortitude to stay out of it.
Ghost is right about this. The Left would throw away every name you mentioned to defeat Trump. They developed and launched a virus in 2019 killing millions of old, fat sick people.

If there was a tape of Trump with an underage girl we would have all seen it by now.

Think past your nose.
 
Bradley in all seriousness if you want to learn about epstein, just check the archives on this very board. We have been discussing this here since 2018. News as it was happening.

We begged libs to join in but they had zero interest. Now that Elon has tied Trump to it, you suddenly care. And are running with what 'one social media user said'. If you actually want to educate yourself on the topic, the info is here. If you want to try to spin it to hurt Trump, carry on.
We begged libs to join. Lol. What did you send a letter to Congress? Oh you mean join you in jackassing around this message board? What a missed opportunity for consensus!
 
We begged libs to join. Lol. What did you send a letter to Congress? Oh you mean join you in jackassing around this message board? What a missed opportunity for consensus!
His point is you were around, but you didn’t participate in the conversation because you thought it only pertained to your party.
 

“FBI Special Agent Kelly Maguire testified in 2019 that during the raid of Epstein's residence, FBI agents found a safe with CDs, computer hard drives, money, jewelry and passports. During her testimony, Maguire said that FBI agents did not have a valid warrant to remove the evidence, so instead, they photographed them.

A few days later, when they returned to obtain the evidence, it was gone, The Telegraph reported.”

I think it would have leaked if they had possession of explicit video of the stuff (unclothed molesting). I might have missed it but I don't think anything like that was shown at her trial but maybe I forgot and the jury was shown evidence of that without anyone else seeing it. We will see if anything like that is ever confirmed I guess.
 
We begged libs to join. Lol. What did you send a letter to Congress? Oh you mean join you in jackassing around this message board? What a missed opportunity for consensus!
We started probably 100 threads about it over the years. Anyone here can search those threads for themselves and see how many times your name pops up as a participant.

90% of the stuff we discussed the media still hasn't figured out. I literally SMDH when I saw you claim that epstein must have recorded people in NY. LOL.....yes this is all about people being recorded at....his place in NY.

Like I said, if you want to actually learn something, search this board. If you want to keep being a bad troll, carry on.
 
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The deficit/debt will never be dealt with before things really collapse. It's impossible to fix it with our current political setup. I am curious to see what happens down the road. My guess is Japan and Korea will give us some answers in the next decade as their demographics are a lot worse than ours even which are bad. No young people to support the systems for old people. It's a ponzi like scheme now.
You might be right
 
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@GhostOfMatchesMalone - thoughts on Elon’s melt down?
The meltdown itself isnt as interesting to me as whats happenin as a result of his meltdown.

Now the BBB will be under a microscope when it hits the Senate.

When it goes back to the House, there will be intense pressure to strip out more pork.

Now even the left wants to see epstein's files.

Everything Elon said moves the ball down the field in a way that Trump approves of. It's almost like Elon and Trump are running a good cop/bad cop routine.
 
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The meltdown itself isnt as interesting to me as whats happenin as a result of his meltdown.

Now the BBB will be under a microscope when it hits the Senate.

When it goes back to the House, there will be intense pressure to strip out more pork.

Now even the left wants to see epstein's files.

Everything Elon said moves the ball down the field in a way that Trump approves of. It's almost like Elon and Trump are running a good cop/bad cop routine.
Lots that I did not care for in the BBB.

The debt is still going up a lot.

Let’s see. I am a believer in “alls well, that ends well”.
 
Whatever the impact on treasury revenue, our debt went up trillions under Trump one (like every other president in the last 30 years) and looks set to do the same under Trump 2.

Nobody’s expecting him to wipe out $37 trillion in debt in 4 years but it would have been nice to put a balanced budget forward. If that’s impossible, then what was Doge about? Wasn’t the point of Doge that our government pisses money away everywhere and we just had to eliminate waste?

i rabble rouse a lot on here but i can acknowledge Trump has had a pretty positive impact since election. No doubt we were headed in a very bad direction and Trump has reversed course on a lot of it. But irresponsibility on our finances will swamp all that. Just the interest on our debt was 13 percent of our budget last year.

I’m dubious of claims that we’re going to “grow our way out of debt.” What’s been our average gdp the last 30 years and what has happened to our debt?

There are quite a few intelligent people who say we will have no choice but to print our way out of debt. Everybody on this board knows that runaway printing to pay $37-40 trillion in debt is incompatible with Trump’s promises to the middle class.

As far as the last question, why is he doing it? The same reason every president and congress for the last 30 years has done it. Because the US government has become, first and foremost, a mechanism to launder tax money and put it in the hands of the government’s financiers. If we don’t fix that, everything else is rearranging the deck chairs so to speak.
I actuallyu agree with most of this.
 
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DOGE was meant to eliminate waste, not balance the budget.

Trump isn't great on debt IMO, but he's better than the alternative...and pearl clutching about long term CBO projections is fear mongering. They are literally never right, most of the time by wide margins.

And, they just changed their tune on how much impact tariffs will have on reducing the deficit.

The bottom line is Trump obviously thinks that the start to making the problem less worse (I don't think he's really trying to fix it) is to fire up the economy.
I just have one question for the libs. Where were all of their concerns about debt when the inflation creation act was passed by democrats? You see...NOT ONE ON EARTH objected to it. So GTFO of here. We know who all of you are...and not ONE of you are real Americans. Personally...I think most of you suffer from a mental illness. And I KNOW NONE of you love America. So I could not care any less whet any of your opinions are...they are meaningless. I know this. America was saved from YOUR party on 11/05/2024. America is more safe and prosperous because you all were fired that day. More and more people are understanding what I just typed here. More and more people in America now realize who is the biggest threat to our freedoms.
 
Ghost is right about this. The Left would throw away every name you mentioned to defeat Trump. They developed and launched a virus in 2019 killing millions of old, fat sick people.

If there was a tape of Trump with an underage girl we would have all seen it by now.

Think past your nose.
100% true...but lucy gets to pull that football away AGAIN...they are all dumber than red bricks. AND mentally ill.
 
The meltdown itself isnt as interesting to me as whats happenin as a result of his meltdown.

Now the BBB will be under a microscope when it hits the Senate.

When it goes back to the House, there will be intense pressure to strip out more pork.

Now even the left wants to see epstein's files.

Everything Elon said moves the ball down the field in a way that Trump approves of. It's almost like Elon and Trump are running a good cop/bad cop routine.
I think this was planned to help Tesla. The people on the right do not buy these cars. We are topo smart. The left does...they are all mentally ill. And we will not EVER go start keying these cars, and burning Tesla dealerships...they did. Watch them make up today....that to me will confirm this. They will cease the BS today
 
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I’m actually pretty sure I did. You guys would be more interesting if you got off the party thing. You think anyone who disagrees with the echo chamber is a crazy lib. It’s lazy.
No, we have disagreements. Theo, for example, argues with most on the board but he’s pretty conservative on most issues and doesn’t have TDS.

That’s not the camp you fall into.

And this is a political forum, party is going to come into play.
 
The meltdown itself isnt as interesting to me as whats happenin as a result of his meltdown.

Now the BBB will be under a microscope when it hits the Senate.

When it goes back to the House, there will be intense pressure to strip out more pork.

Now even the left wants to see epstein's files.

Everything Elon said moves the ball down the field in a way that Trump approves of. It's almost like Elon and Trump are running a good cop/bad cop routine.

I doubt that. I think Musk was just butthurt based on his previous internet blowup on MAGA HB1 Visa pushback and when he with no evidence accused that guy that was helping to rescue those kids of being a pedo.
 
No, we have disagreements. Theo, for example, argues with most on the board but he’s pretty conservative on most issues and doesn’t have TDS.

That’s not the camp you fall into.

And this is a political forum, party is going to come into play.
I believe bradley claims to be from New Jersey, one of the bluer states in America. Perhaps he has confused being a moderate (non-liberal) with being a moderate in a blue state. Being a moderate in a blue state still makes you a liberal.
 
Watch them make up today....that to me will confirm this. They will cease the BS today
If this is being orchestrated, then they can't make up today, it will need to go throughout the process of getting the spending bill through Congress. At least.

Either way, I said all along to Trump fans here to be careful trusting Elon on everything. Elon is brilliant on certain topics like the economy and running a business.

On the other hand, he apparently has like 14 kids via half a dozen women. He thinks we need to leave earth and go to Mars.

Point is, as long as Elon stays in his lane, he's a stud. When we start trying to blindly follow him all over the highway as he swerves around, that's when trouble starts.
 
If this is being orchestrated, then they can't make up today, it will need to go throughout the process of getting the spending bill through Congress. At least.

Either way, I said all along to Trump fans here to be careful trusting Elon on everything. Elon is brilliant on certain topics like the economy and running a business.

On the other hand, he apparently has like 14 kids via half a dozen women. He thinks we need to leave earth and go to Mars.

Point is, as long as Elon stays in his lane, he's a stud. When we start trying to blindly follow him all over the highway as he swerves around, that's when trouble starts.

I think Trump would have won anyway but that get out the vote stuff Musk financed a lot of did target exactly what needed to be targeted and changed things from previous elections. The 30 and under male crowd of all races. A nice swing there as they are being screwed so bad with how things are while the young females who could care less about most of them were catered to big time with all this leftist nonsense and brainwashing at schools. I think things are too bad for most young guys for the Dems to get that trend reversed going forward. Dems have the single female vote on lockdown however and that won't change as most of them are too easily manipulated.
 
Bradley in all seriousness if you want to learn about epstein, just check the archives on this very board. We have been discussing this here since 2018. News as it was happening.

We begged libs to join in but they had zero interest. Now that Elon has tied Trump to it, you suddenly care. And are running with what 'one social media user said'. If you actually want to educate yourself on the topic, the info is here. If you want to try to spin it to hurt Trump, carry on.


 
I think Trump would have won anyway but that get out the vote stuff Musk financed a lot of did target exactly what needed to be targeted and changed things from previous elections. The 30 and under male crowd of all races. A nice swing there as they are being screwed so bad with how things are while the young females who could care less about most of them were catered to big time with all this leftist nonsense and brainwashing at schools. I think things are too bad for most young guys for the Dems to get that trend reversed going forward. Dems have the single female vote on lockdown however and that won't change as most of them are too easily manipulated.
The 19th Amendment is looking more and more like the death of the republic. They vote with feelz instead of logic all too often. WTF else would present and entertain a forum of retardedness like The View? :oops::rolleyes::mad:
 
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I was going to post this morning but didn't have time. While it's not absolute evidence, common sense says Epstein's attorney was going to leverage any negative stuff about Trump to save his client's ass. This alone speaks volumes that he had nothing to use against Trump to save Epstein's ass. It's pure common sense to come to a conclusion of Trump's innocence with regard to Epstein. Not surprisingly, MSM is crickets about this little nuggest of info.
 
If this is being orchestrated, then they can't make up today, it will need to go throughout the process of getting the spending bill through Congress. At least.

Either way, I said all along to Trump fans here to be careful trusting Elon on everything. Elon is brilliant on certain topics like the economy and running a business.

On the other hand, he apparently has like 14 kids via half a dozen women. He thinks we need to leave earth and go to Mars.

Point is, as long as Elon stays in his lane, he's a stud. When we start trying to blindly follow him all over the highway as he swerves around, that's when trouble starts.
Not going to happen. Elon is pissed because he could not buy a President. Trump is mad because he was not loyal. I think they both will back off because it is not a good look for grown men to act like they are. Elon getting crushed on his Tesla stock. I still wish him well, but he is not as smart as I thought he was.
 
I think Trump would have won anyway but that get out the vote stuff Musk financed a lot of did target exactly what needed to be targeted and changed things from previous elections. The 30 and under male crowd of all races. A nice swing there as they are being screwed so bad with how things are while the young females who could care less about most of them were catered to big time with all this leftist nonsense and brainwashing at schools. I think things are too bad for most young guys for the Dems to get that trend reversed going forward. Dems have the single female vote on lockdown however and that won't change as most of them are too easily manipulated.
I think Elon made it a LOT easier. He closed a massive Dem funding advantage.

Clearly a “better, together”
 
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