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bradleygator

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Thought I’d check in to see how we’re rationalizing Trump spending his first three months making a big show of uncovering government waste and then championing a spending bill that increases the deficit by $3 trillion. I looked for a thread to post in but couldn’t find one on the BBB for whatever reason. So please, all you champions of fiscal responsibility, what accounts for this?

Out of Trump’s hands (darn RINOs in Congress!)?

4D chess by Trump purposefully orchestrating Elon’s ouster so he could publicly skewer the darn RINOs in Congress!?

Sour grapes by Elon?

You got to spend money to make money.

“Shut up Bradley, you hate America!”?
 


Thought I’d check in to see how we’re rationalizing Trump spending his first three months making a big show of uncovering government waste and then championing a spending bill that increases the deficit by $3 trillion. I looked for a thread to post in but couldn’t find one on the BBB for whatever reason. So please, all you champions of fiscal responsibility, what accounts for this?

Out of Trump’s hands (darn RINOs in Congress!)?

4D chess by Trump purposefully orchestrating Elon’s ouster so he could publicly skewer the darn RINOs in Congress!?

Sour grapes by Elon?

You got to spend money to make money.

“Shut up Bradley, you hate America!”?
Has the final bill passed yet? Do you have ANY idea EVER what you talk about? Let me guess...you are about 23 yrs old...THINK you know everything? Does that sound about right?

SECONDLY....can you show me where you objected to FJB's Inflation creation bill? Did you object...or do you even know what I am talking about, son?
 
Has the final bill passed yet? Do you have ANY idea EVER what you talk about? Let me guess...you are about 23 yrs old...THINK you know everything? Does that sound about right?

SECONDLY....can you show me where you objected to FJB's Inflation creation bill? Did you object...or do you even know what I am talking about, son?
Thank you Capn Ron I forgot about: what about Biden? I knew you’d add valuable perspective.
 


Thought I’d check in to see how we’re rationalizing Trump spending his first three months making a big show of uncovering government waste and then championing a spending bill that increases the deficit by $3 trillion. I looked for a thread to post in but couldn’t find one on the BBB for whatever reason. So please, all you champions of fiscal responsibility, what accounts for this?

Out of Trump’s hands (darn RINOs in Congress!)?

4D chess by Trump purposefully orchestrating Elon’s ouster so he could publicly skewer the darn RINOs in Congress!?

Sour grapes by Elon?

You got to spend money to make money.

“Shut up Bradley, you hate America!”?
And just like that, suddenly the libs love Elon again lol
 
Thank you Capn Ron I forgot about: what about Biden? I knew you’d add valuable perspective.
No, son...you forgot that all of a sudden your hate for Trump(AND America) made you forget that the final bill has not even been presented for a vote. Do you have ANY idea how gubment works? I think not. Are you still in high school? If so...slapping your teacher MAY be in order...they failed you
 
Deflection… also a good response.
I love it when our trolls get pissed that we don't take their attempts seriously.

Thought I’d check in to see how we’re rationalizing Trump spending his first three months making a big show of uncovering government waste and then championing a spending bill that increases the deficit by $3 trillion.
Trump isn't a fiscal conservative.

4D chess by Trump purposefully orchestrating Elon’s ouster
Elon wasn't fired, he was always required to leave his position in May. We knew that when he started working on DOGE.
 


Thought I’d check in to see how we’re rationalizing Trump spending his first three months making a big show of uncovering government waste and then championing a spending bill that increases the deficit by $3 trillion. I looked for a thread to post in but couldn’t find one on the BBB for whatever reason. So please, all you champions of fiscal responsibility, what accounts for this?

Out of Trump’s hands (darn RINOs in Congress!)?

4D chess by Trump purposefully orchestrating Elon’s ouster so he could publicly skewer the darn RINOs in Congress!?

Sour grapes by Elon?

You got to spend money to make money.

“Shut up Bradley, you hate America!”?
Did Treasury revenue go down after the 2017 tax cuts went into effect?
 
I wasn’t referring to the fact he left the white house I was referring to the fact that he was the point man in supposedly reducing government waste and is now saying it was all bs because they’re passing a budget that adds $3 trillion to the deficit.
 


Thought I’d check in to see how we’re rationalizing Trump spending his first three months making a big show of uncovering government waste and then championing a spending bill that increases the deficit by $3 trillion. I looked for a thread to post in but couldn’t find one on the BBB for whatever reason. So please, all you champions of fiscal responsibility, what accounts for this?

Out of Trump’s hands (darn RINOs in Congress!)?

4D chess by Trump purposefully orchestrating Elon’s ouster so he could publicly skewer the darn RINOs in Congress!?

Sour grapes by Elon?

You got to spend money to make money.

“Shut up Bradley, you hate America!”?
Don’t normally see things the way you do. With that being said, this is a valid question and fair point. Definitely worth discussion.
 
Don’t normally see things the way you do. With that being said, this is a valid question and fair point. Definitely worth discussion.
When we voted for Trump and MAGA it was with the understanding he was a big spender New York City liberal. To rationalize supporting Trump you have to accept that.

We give up fiscal responsibility for the positive things Trump brings us. Adding $3T or $5T to the debt is of no concern.

The few Republicans in Congress who question Trump's excessive spending are attacked and threatened with a loss of committee chairs and even some face a primary. Thomas Massie and Rand Paul are examples. Trump hates both of them. Why? Because they want to cut spending and reduce the national debt.
 
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We can reduce the deficit by:

1) Cutting ALL monies to illegals
2) Defund ALL NGO's
3) Act on and complete DOGE Cuts
4) Stopping all money to the media-conservative and liberal. Including PBS and their ilk.
5) Quit funding Ukraine
6) Audit and cut out foreign aid. If a country has a catastrophe we should lend a helping hand otherwise
they are on their own.
 
President Trump has found common ground with a Democrat. Do away with the Debt Limit. Now can he get Thomas Massie and Rand Paul to do the same?

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When we voted for Trump and MAGA it was with the understanding he was a big spender New York City liberal. To rationalize supporting Trump you have to accept that.
Not every Republican is a fiscal conservative. Trump's spending doesn't bother me, because he has a solid plan for using the money to generate more money than he spends. And he has a track record of doing so.

Bush's spending bothered me because he had no plan for it.

The few Republicans in Congress who question Trump's excessive spending are attacked and threatened with a loss of committee chairs and even some face a primary. Thomas Massie and Rand Paul are examples. Trump hates both of them. Why?
This is where you lost me. Trump doesn't hate anyone. It's one of his most effective qualities as President, that he doesn't take anything personally. That's why he picked Rubio and Vance for his administration, despite the fact that both have attacked him in the past.

I think he actually likes Paul, but most pubs I know are wearing tired of Massie's 'look at me' tactics. The same pubs that swoon over him tended to get hungry eyes over Romney and Haley.

Because they want to cut spending and reduce the national debt.
Trump does too. Trump isn't a fiscal conservative. Trump says it's ok to increase spending by X if it means it will generate 10X returns that can then be used to pay down the debt.

Fiscal conservatives say we have to pay off the debt first before we can increase spending.

Trump thinks we can do both at once. I am fine with that plan.
 
Overhauling an 80 year old postwar plan that is no longer relevant.
 
Did Treasury revenue go down after the 2017 tax cuts went into effect?
@bradleygator - why won't you answer this question? One of the key points in contesting this bill is that tax cuts will simply result in less revenue. That's not normally how tax cuts pan out. Typically they increase economic activity and revenue either stays the same or increases. Reducing regulatory burdens (which are also taxes) is key.

Furthermore, all of this fear mongering is based on CBO estimates which are almost never accurate past the 2nd year (and often worse).

Lastly, wasteful spending and program cuts are coming next. This bill isn't the final picture. But I don't think anyone voted for Trump expecting he could erase $37T in debt. It wouldn't matter anyway because the next time a Leftist wins it would all be undone.

He's doing this to grow the economy - debt is measured as a percentage of GDP. You can sustain debt as long as the economy is rolling and interest rates are low...the problem comes in when the economy stalls, or inflation hits, and interest rates increase. That's when default happens. But you can't even start to address the debt issue in a stagnant economic cycle.

Do you think Trump is intentionally damaging the country? What's his motivation in your eyes?



 
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Musk is an idiot on this. Unfortunately Trump has to live in the real world and a spending bill will never pass without a bunch of pork. It is funny seeing Musk taking credit for Trump's win when he backed DeSantis with that cocky attitude against Trump and DeSantis literally got curb stomped by Trump after Musk endorsed him.
 
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@bradleygator - why won't you answer this question? One of the key points in contesting this bill is that tax cuts will simply result in less revenue. That's not normally how tax cuts pan out. Typically they increase economic activity and revenue either stays the same or increases. Reducing regulatory burdens (which are also taxes) is key.

Furthermore, all of this fear mongering is based on CBO estimates which are almost never accurate past the 2nd year (and often worse).

Lastly, wasteful spending and program cuts are coming next. This bill isn't the final picture. But I don't think anyone voted for Trump expecting he could erase $37T in debt. It wouldn't matter anyway because the next time a Leftist wins it would all be undone.

He's doing this to grow the economy - debt is measured as a percentage of GDP. You can sustain debt as long as the economy is rolling and interest rates are low...the problem comes in when the economy stalls, or inflation hits, and interest rates increase. That's when default happens. But you can't even start to address the debt issue in a stagnant economic cycle.

Do you think Trump is intentionally damaging the country? What's his motivation in your eyes?



Whatever the impact on treasury revenue, our debt went up trillions under Trump one (like every other president in the last 30 years) and looks set to do the same under Trump 2.

Nobody’s expecting him to wipe out $37 trillion in debt in 4 years but it would have been nice to put a balanced budget forward. If that’s impossible, then what was Doge about? Wasn’t the point of Doge that our government pisses money away everywhere and we just had to eliminate waste?

i rabble rouse a lot on here but i can acknowledge Trump has had a pretty positive impact since election. No doubt we were headed in a very bad direction and Trump has reversed course on a lot of it. But irresponsibility on our finances will swamp all that. Just the interest on our debt was 13 percent of our budget last year.

I’m dubious of claims that we’re going to “grow our way out of debt.” What’s been our average gdp the last 30 years and what has happened to our debt?

There are quite a few intelligent people who say we will have no choice but to print our way out of debt. Everybody on this board knows that runaway printing to pay $37-40 trillion in debt is incompatible with Trump’s promises to the middle class.

As far as the last question, why is he doing it? The same reason every president and congress for the last 30 years has done it. Because the US government has become, first and foremost, a mechanism to launder tax money and put it in the hands of the government’s financiers. If we don’t fix that, everything else is rearranging the deck chairs so to speak.
 
Whatever the impact on treasury revenue, our debt went up trillions under Trump one (like every other president in the last 30 years) and looks set to do the same under Trump 2.

Nobody’s expecting him to wipe out $37 trillion in debt in 4 years but it would have been nice to put a balanced budget forward. If that’s impossible, then what was Doge about? Wasn’t the point of Doge that our government pisses money away everywhere and we just had to eliminate waste?

i rabble rouse a lot on here but i can acknowledge Trump has had a pretty positive impact since election. No doubt we were headed in a very bad direction and Trump has reversed course on a lot of it. But irresponsibility on our finances will swamp all that. Just the interest on our debt was 13 percent of our budget last year.

I’m dubious of claims that we’re going to “grow our way out of debt.” What’s been our average gdp the last 30 years and what has happened to our debt?

There are quite a few intelligent people who say we will have no choice but to print our way out of debt. Everybody on this board knows that runaway printing to pay $37-40 trillion in debt is incompatible with Trump’s promises to the middle class.

As far as the last question, why is he doing it? The same reason every president and congress for the last 30 years has done it. Because the US government has become, first and foremost, a mechanism to launder tax money and put it in the hands of the government’s financiers. If we don’t fix that, everything else is rearranging the deck chairs so to speak.

The deficit/debt will never be dealt with before things really collapse. It's impossible to fix it with our current political setup. I am curious to see what happens down the road. My guess is Japan and Korea will give us some answers in the next decade as their demographics are a lot worse than ours even which are bad. No young people to support the systems for old people. It's a ponzi like scheme now.
 


Hate to break it to this moron but anything in any file is already the stuff that came out in the court files of the victims which was nothing bad on Trump. Just because he is having a tantrum he has no common sense as the deep state would have had anything significant out while they ran their operation to take Trump down. I know he has slight autism people say but this is getting comedy channel level now.
 
Whatever the impact on treasury revenue, our debt went up trillions under Trump one (like every other president in the last 30 years) and looks set to do the same under Trump 2.

Nobody’s expecting him to wipe out $37 trillion in debt in 4 years but it would have been nice to put a balanced budget forward. If that’s impossible, then what was Doge about? Wasn’t the point of Doge that our government pisses money away everywhere and we just had to eliminate waste?

i rabble rouse a lot on here but i can acknowledge Trump has had a pretty positive impact since election. No doubt we were headed in a very bad direction and Trump has reversed course on a lot of it. But irresponsibility on our finances will swamp all that. Just the interest on our debt was 13 percent of our budget last year.

I’m dubious of claims that we’re going to “grow our way out of debt.” What’s been our average gdp the last 30 years and what has happened to our debt?

There are quite a few intelligent people who say we will have no choice but to print our way out of debt. Everybody on this board knows that runaway printing to pay $37-40 trillion in debt is incompatible with Trump’s promises to the middle class.

As far as the last question, why is he doing it? The same reason every president and congress for the last 30 years has done it. Because the US government has become, first and foremost, a mechanism to launder tax money and put it in the hands of the government’s financiers. If we don’t fix that, everything else is rearranging the deck chairs so to speak.
DOGE was meant to eliminate waste, not balance the budget.

Trump isn't great on debt IMO, but he's better than the alternative...and pearl clutching about long term CBO projections is fear mongering. They are literally never right, most of the time by wide margins.

And, they just changed their tune on how much impact tariffs will have on reducing the deficit.

The bottom line is Trump obviously thinks that the start to making the problem less worse (I don't think he's really trying to fix it) is to fire up the economy.
 


Hate to break it to this moron but anything in any file is already the stuff that came out in the court files of the victims which was nothing bad on Trump. Just because he is having a tantrum he has no common sense as the deep state would have had anything significant out while they ran their operation to take Trump down. I know he has slight autism people say but this is getting comedy channel level now.
Yea, whatever is actually true, this tweet is really, really bad.

I'd also be shocked if Elon had full access to the files.

BUT - it does make sense on its face.

Also, this:
 
Dems wouldn’t because Clinton is probably in there too along with Bill Gates and you name it. Actually the Epstein tapes/list coming out is about as close as you could get to a coup against the global order.

Everyone already knows that though. If there was anything new on Trump it would have been out long ago. We know he flew to NY on Epsteins jet as a favor from Epstein many years ago and Epstein had his phone # like a ton of others. Trump barred him from his place once he heard what was being said about him years ago. In one of the victims interview the agent was trying to lead her to say something bad about Trump but she never did.
 
Dems wouldn’t because Clinton is probably in there too along with Bill Gates and you name it. Actually the Epstein tapes/list coming out is about as close as you could get to a coup against the global order.
So you think the left isn't releasing Trump in the epstein files to protect Slick Willy and Bill Gates? LOL They've already buried Elon, and he has far more money than Gates does.

Thanks to Elon, now everyone wants less wasteful spending, a new version of the BBB with less pork, and release the epstein files ASAP!

Huh....pretty much what Trump wanted all along. 4D Chess at its finest.
 


Hate to break it to this moron but anything in any file is already the stuff that came out in the court files of the victims which was nothing bad on Trump. Just because he is having a tantrum he has no common sense as the deep state would have had anything significant out while they ran their operation to take Trump down. I know he has slight autism people say but this is getting comedy channel level now.
LOL

And Trump said Elon is just pouting cause he took away the EV mandate, which Trump PRAISED Elon for NOT pouting about in the past.

Thanks to Elon, now libs think Trump is in epstein files, lets release them ASAP and GET TRUMP!!

Sit back and watch the GOAT work.
 
Everyone already knows that though. If there was anything new on Trump it would have been out long ago. We know he flew to NY on Epsteins jet as a favor from Epstein many years ago and Epstein had his phone # like a ton of others. Trump barred him from his place once he heard what was being said about him years ago. In one of the victims interview the agent was trying to lead her to say something bad about Trump but she never did.
How about the fact that Acosta was the AG in Florida who negotiated Epstein’s original sweetheart home arrest deal and ended up being Trump’s labor Secretary? Google it. Is that a coincidence? Epstein had a lot of them!

It’s public record that Epstein’s gig was getting the rich and powerful on tape with underage girls. But we’ve never seen any of the tapes. Why not do you think. If Epstein was hanging with you, he was trying to get you on tape. He had a painting of Bill Clinton in a dress in his NY townhouse. Gates’ ex wife basically said she divorced him because of his hanging out with Epstein. Les Wexner, Jes Staley, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz. Some heavy hitters. We can all make our own judgments as to whether these targets had the moral fortitude to stay out of it.
 
So you think the left isn't releasing Trump in the epstein files to protect Slick Willy and Bill Gates? LOL They've already buried Elon, and he has far more money than Gates does.

Thanks to Elon, now everyone wants less wasteful spending, a new version of the BBB with less pork, and release the epstein files ASAP!

Huh....pretty much what Trump wanted all along. 4D Chess at its finest.
Ah so Trump sent him out into the wild to accuse him of being a pedophile so he could get a better BBB bill that he could have got if he had spoken a word against it in the last two months. Yes. This makes sense.
 
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LOL

And Trump said Elon is just pouting cause he took away the EV mandate, which Trump PRAISED Elon for NOT pouting about in the past.

Thanks to Elon, now libs think Trump is in epstein files, lets release them ASAP and GET TRUMP!!

Sit back and watch the GOAT work.

This is actually hilarious. If the Epstein files hurt the left more than the right why didn’t they release them when they were talking about it 2 months ago? All part of the masterplan according to Ghost.
 
Ah so Trump sent him out into the wild to accuse him of being a pedophile so he could get a better BBB bill that he could have got if he had spoken a word against it in the last two months. Yes. This makes sense.
Elon said he was in the epstein files.

Did you notice Trump didn't deny that?

Like a fiddle.
 
This is actually hilarious. If the Epstein files hurt the left more than the right why didn’t they release them when they were talking about it 2 months ago? All part of the masterplan according to Ghost.
Because the law has to be followed and the files are likely still bound to ongoing cases involving victims. I know the left is used to throwing the law out the window and doing what they want, but the rest of us have to abide by the rule of law.

I'm just glad you are finally interested in learning about the epstein files. We've been talking about it here for at least 7 years LOL
 
Because the law has to be followed and the files are likely still bound to ongoing cases involving victims. I know the left is used to throwing the law out the window and doing what they want, but the rest of us have to abide by the rule of law.

I'm just glad you are finally interested in learning about the epstein files. We've been talking about it here for at least 7 years LOL
Oh please. I bet you had to google who Acosta is. The “law has to be followed.” Lol!
 
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